a couple of notes based on the reactions I’m seeing, as well as what I saw on my dash and in the tag when season 7 was wrapping up—
be mindful when you call kevin tran “cute” or “adorable”.
because the thing is—I very rarely see people calling dean, sam, or cas “cute” or “adorable”. they’re always hardcore. awe-inspiring. admired for their toughness. the only time I really see them being “cute” and “adorable” is in the context of fanworks that specifically draw out these qualities.
but when kevin goes around saving people, when he proves to be self-sufficient, when he’s fighting and being all-around badass, in canon?
then he’s “so adorable!!”
and I don’t know if age is coming into play here, but whenever I see posts on how attractive osric is, they’re typically framed in terms of how “cute” he is. very rarely, if ever, how “hot” or “sexy” he is, or any of those kinds of terms that are used to describe jensen, jared, misha, etc.
here’s the thing: asian men under western gazes struggle a lot with having their masculinity recognized. in the united states, this invalidation of asian men’s masculinity—in particular chinese men’s masculinity—is tied with a long history of racism and with willful attempts to lower the social status of chinese men.
furthermore, asian peoples in western contexts have to constantly struggle against white-centric notions of what is sexy, what is hot, and what is attractive.
osric chau is chinese canadian yes, and kevin tran’s surname suggests that he’s meant to be read as vietnamese (n.b., vietnamese-americans of chinese descent do exist as well), but as an asian person in american context and an asian character in an american show, osric and kevin are still subject to this gaze that invalidates their masculinity and the badassery of their actions.
so—I don’t in particular care if people think kevin is cute or adorable, because yeah, in many moments, he is.
but when people en masse refer to him as cute or adorable, while seeing white men’s actions of the same calibre as being badass or hardcore, and never cute or adorable?
then there’s a problem.
Once, there was a brilliantly constructed character named Bela Talbot. Her backstory was slow-building and fascinating and she was a wonderful…
you’re a very obnoxious person. And you obviously lack the ability to analyze this show as a work of literature in which the reaction of the viewer is as important as character developement. The show centers around Sam and Dean in the end Bela’s character, just like ALL OTHER CHARACTERS is on the show simply to complement/contrast them and make us care about them more. There are so many reasons Bela’s had to die, and honestly she would have sucked if she was still on the show today. If Eric Kripke did kill her off for the fans then I was right, he lacks the conviction to keep his writing pure. However, Bela’s death was extremely important to the storyline in season three. It takes Dean’s descencion into hell from being unfortunate to being a tragedy. And I didn’t read everything you said at first but I did after I posted. I was just tired of you’re obvious lack of ability to analyze. Remember all that stuff you learned in English class about literary elements and techniques? Those don’t need to stay in English class. Fans need to stop viewing characters as people and see them as tools the author uses to make the work more artistic. Also please don’t give me crap about being respectful when your username is “youstupidfucks”. You continually hate on your fellow fans rather than just ignoring them. You know, when something is popular people are going to react to it. With a TV show people are going to talk about what characters they like and what characters they hate. It’s not like someone attacked the actress physically or someone threatened Eric Kripke’s life if he kept Bela on the show. If people decide to listen to the fans maybe it’s because they think the fans have a point. By all means voice your opinions but stop bitching when other people voice theirs.
Oh my goodness firstly, because this jumped out and me and WILL NOT stop blaring— my username has nothing to do with the kind of person I am, nor do you understand why I picked it or the connotations behind it. So don’t take that into account. I, throughout this, have not called a single person a slur, have not called fans hypersensitive or oversensitive, as you are implying and others have, have not laughed at the pain of others, and have clearly listened to every word spoken in dissent against me. I’m being respectful; my username has nothing to do with the amount of respect I’m giving you.
Second of all, there’s more than one way to analyze a piece of media, and holding the way the media is as God rather than questioning it isn’t the only one, especially when the story offends. The idea that Sam and Dean are the only characters that really matter and everyone else exists for them— that’s poor storytelling, and to be honest, that’s a rather poor analysis of the show. It may have started with them, but it’s allowed to grow. You say she would have sucked if she was on the show? Why? I think having a dissenting opinion (because protagonist-centered morality isn’t something to subscribe to, the characters do not exist in a vacuum) and expanding the culture of this world outside of hunters would be wonderful! We don’t know how her character would’ve turned out, but there are so many good things that could have come of it.
You say I’m obnoxious, and then you lecture me about English class, assuming 1) everyone has learned the same things you have, 2) that may way of analysis is less valid than yours and 3) that these teachings are universal. I know how to analyze media, thank you very much.
You say I have to sit down and shut up, essentially? No. No, because all of this started with hate in Bela’s tag, rather graphic hate, and some refuse to understand that’s the kind of thing that got her kicked off the show, that some people identify with Bela and that hate is seen as a personal attack there. Because fandoms should be a safe space, especially for some wherein this is all they have to enjoy. When you attack a character, it takes the safe space away. Characters are more than tools because media matters; even though they are “just characters” as so many have said, those characters had to come from someone’s mind, and those characters influence the thoughts of others, and those characters have the ability to dramatically change people’s opinions. Just one character someone finds in a time of need may help them through a traumatic event—or, in contrast, wrongful treatment — of a minority, of PoC or queer character or female or ANY oppressed group — may reinforce someone’s incorrect assumption that it’s okay to step on them.
Because media matters.
So if a narrative is, even without meaning to, contributing to this oppression? (And erasure is a problem too! Which ties into how poor of a narrative choice it is for Dean and Sam to be the only characters that matter.) Then I’m gonna stand up and say something.
The opinions that Bela should have died? They got the actress fired. That’s pretty much harming to me! Getting a character written out of the show— that’s what it does. Sometimes the fans have a point, yes. But blind pandering is not a good way of writing a show. And I already went over why the kind of hatred this was striking back against is harmful. I will not ignore when this is harmful. I will not ignore when my safe space and that of others is invaded. I will not ignore when I could strive to make things better.
Alright megmasters, you are talking a bunch of bullshit right now.
the entire thread is worth a read whether or not you have strong feelings about bela talbot because it’s so much bigger than just her - it speaks to the really gross more-than-trend of pandering to misogyny and sexism in fandom
and of course it’s always fun to see awesome people beat down the time-honored derail “why don’t you just not watch the show”
Dean is careful, taking xyr time with each colorful line xe paints across full lips and high cheekbones, curling xyr long lashes so fiercely burning green eyes pop out, unable to be denied the time of day. It is yet another layer of battle gear, just like the compression shirt xe wears underneath xyr t-shirt.
Staring back at xyr own reflection in the cracking mirror, xe lifts xyr chin up high and at last thinks to xyrself, ‘Now, I’m ready’. Xe leaves the motel, confidence evident with every step, as if daring anyone to take a crack at xyr impenetrable suit of armor. Xe is a warrior and xe is not afraid.
too far north (trans!dean, sam/dean, pg, 1,200 words)
i’d like to note that i’m certainly not the best choice to write this, and i’m not sure how well it turned out. but i did quite enjoy writing it, so i hope someone likes reading it!
warning: implied child neglect/abuse
Sammy just loves Dean so much and has always seen him as his big brother :’)
#trans* Dean #Not that Dean couldn’t hold his own in battles but Sammy has kicked the shit outta some people for making fun of Dean #Mostly those who dared to do it behind Dean’s back and thought Sam wouldn’t do anything about it #They were very wrong about that #PROTECTIVE BROTHERLY FEELS ALL OF THEM
Dean Winchester’s mental health status is…really a bit tricky to diagnose. Because if you’re looking at it from a standpoint of not knowing about the supernatural, I’d diagnose him with possible Schizotypal Personality Disorder on top of everything else I have below. From the point of view of knowing about what actually has happened to him, I would diagnose him as having the following:
Alcohol Abuse (Provisional)
Posttraumatic Stress Disorder (In Partial Remission)
Adjustment Disorder with Mixed Disturbance of Emotions and Conduct, Chronic (Provisional)
Mood Disorder Not Otherwise Specified (NOS)
Basically, the biggest issue I see is trying to determine whether he has an adjustment disorder, major depression (recurrent), or possible mixed episodes of bipolar I disorder. So I’m giving him a diagnosis of Mood Disorder NOS, since it’s really difficult to tell. The provisional code for Adjustment Disorder is because it’s hard to pinpoint what’s causing his depressive moods and conduct problems, and if it’s a hazard of his job or if that’s just exacerbating the problem. As for the provisional diagnosis of alcohol abuse, it’s difficult to determine if he actually meets criteria or if he’s just close to meeting criteria. I said he is in partial remission for his PTSD because, while he doesn’t actively show all the symptoms for PTSD, he does still seem to suffer lingering issues that I believe are based in that problem.
As well, on Axis IV (Psychosocial and Environmental Problems), which is the only other category he shows problems on, I’d say he struggles a lot from dealing with or having dealt with the following:
inadequate social support
death of family members
stressful/difficult work conditions
unintended homelessness/lack of stable home environment